Monday Omnibus

QUOTE (Wrighty @ November 02, 2009 06:54 pm)

QUOTE (P Scullion @ November 02, 2009 04:51 pm)

QUOTE (Dayo Adewuyi @ November 02, 2009 01:37 pm)

I went to The Emirates Stadium last week to see the Arsenal/Liverpool Carling Cup match tie. It was my first time ever in a Stadium and – though my team lost - I had a LOVELY time. Liam (bless) sorted out the tickets. We sat in the Arsenal end. It was funny when the Arsenal supporters chanted 'Stand for the Arsenal' - resulting in Liam and I pretending to stand up with the all the 'gooners'. Similarly, I had to laugh when the Liverpool contingent taunted the Arsenal fans, chanting: 'Where are your European cups'

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When Liverpool equalised, I forgot myself and jumped up to celebrate; eliciting a few 'looks' from some Arsenal fans lol. All in all, it was a fantastic evening out; the adrenalin of watching a match in a Stadium is surreal. Next stop, Anfield

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This is the best post i've read on here in years!!

Hilarious!!

I'm just picturing the pair of you like two scouse lemons in a field of apple trees...

who's scouse?

beat me to it

Anyway I watched the 'highlights' of the Liverpool game last night

my thoughts

Torres was injured and had to go off.

he also scored a cracking goal.

Degens tackle was just mistimed , a free-kick and booking were sufficient.

Carragher , however , had to go , it was a replay of the Michael Owen rugby tackle from the week before. - Hes doing this all the time now.

There appears to be a MASSIVE hole rightthrough the middle of Liverpools midfield and defence.

Nevlands back heel was a delight.

Things are bad when Zamora scores against you ?

That list of Liverpools injured is a joke - Ngog and Aurelio arent first team regulars , plesis has played once this season , Aqulaini 10 minutes - this is just a RafaFact excuse.

Fulham
Arsenal
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland

QUOTE (RareColour @ November 02, 2009 02:55 pm)

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It seems to me that New Labour have done nothing to shed us from our feudal culture. Our leaders treat us with the contempt that they consider that we deserve for being foolish enough to vote them in. They are a pathetic bunch - anyone watching their miserable performance on the Griffin QT must agree (there are clear and obvious reasons BLEUR BLAGHA BGALRHUIXFNH

perhaps you could elaborate more about this bit which seems to me a bit pretentious and bull shitty

QUOTE (Dayo Adewuyi @ November 02, 2009 01:37 pm)

Why appoint a body of scientists' to undertake research on drugs and then sack the head of the committee because you disagree with his findings?!?!

A scientist of sound speaks...

The government are always banging on about "evidence based policy", well when confronted with evidence they dont want to hear...

it must be hard being a liverpool supporter right now

QUOTE (RareColour @ November 02, 2009 02:55 pm)

However, it seems to me that New Labour consider that their purpose is to 'lead' us (like children) rather than to represent us. They took us to Iraq when most of us did not want to go, citing spurious evidence. And here, again, they are deliberately clouding an already complex issue simply in order to gain a few votes here and there from a frightened public. Yet with our own money, reinvested back into the banks, they are unable to represent us adequately, allowing bankers to take enormous bonuses.

Yep. I hear you Rare Colour.

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It's very interesting to see how these two spheres (the scientific and the political) are overlapping and causing conflict. The argument that Nutt has overstepped the mark and poked his dirty little fingers into the political pie is very weak, and defeats the fundamental point of appointing scientific advisers in the first place. Not only that, but it makes the government look shady and inadequate

On point as always Surra.

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The government are always banging on about "evidence based policy", well when confronted with evidence they dont want to hear...

Good point Weeg.

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it must be hard being a liverpool supporter right now

haha nice one Gavin. And keeping with the Benitez talk, it seems me that he doesn't realise that Liverpool fans consider the League (i.e The Premiership) the holy grail and not the Champions League (as prestigious as it is) . Don't get me wrong, we loved him for winning it in 2005 (easy Dave P lol) because it put us back on the major football map. But 2005 - not the win - seems a long time ago now. He needs to get with it.

*Thanks EVERYONE. Your contributions/replies are always GREATLY appreciated. Cheers.

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perhaps you could elaborate more about this bit which seems to me a bit pretentious and bull shitty

ok maybe I got a bit carried away.

> It seems to me that New Labour have done nothing to shed us from our feudal culture.

I had this article in mind.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8160052.stm

> Our leaders treat us with the contempt that they consider that we deserve for being foolish enough to vote them in.

OTT I admit
but the point is that they consistently treat the british people like fools - half baked evidence and spin are daily bread (Brown asked Nutt to provide evidence to support his policy). I don't like it.

>there are clear and obvious reasons blah blah blah
tribalism undermines democracy - this was actually Enoch Powell's argument many years ago for why India etc couldn't support democracy. Ironically, it may be the UK that should take more notice of this advice at this minute.

I think that the reason Straw made such a mess of dealing with Griffin - who let's face it is a crank - is because his own party see their job as to lead rather than represent. They have spread confusion in the media about a number of issues in order to provide dubious support for dubious policy.

I am not saying that new labour are fascist, I am saying that they have fascist like properties, which weakens their ability to deal properly with fascist parties.

This may be pretentious and bull shit but I don't really care all that much. Labour made and are still making a lot of basic errors which are allowing the BNP a window into UK politics. If the Nazi's had their way all those years ago I wouldn't be alive now so perhaps the prentention comes from attempting to squeeze my rage into something coherent.

I'd be interested to hear your views if you think I'm wrong.

had the 'forgetting myself' experience @ wembley circa charity sheild 95/96 season. sat in the rovers end with two mates. one a rovers fan another a spurs fan. vinny samways scores possibly the jammiest wembley winner ever and i get up celebrating. looked round and soon sat back down.

after the man u win i actually said to myself liverpool would lose the next one. note to self, put fekkin money on it in future. am actually hoping gerrards injury does not prove as bad as it's looking. couldn't give a fekk about liverpool but england need him for the world cup. the understanding he has developed with rooney is key to any success i feel.

glad we have stopped our slump, but i see it as 6 points dropped with the 3 draws in a row at home. win our game in hand and fingers crossed it will start another run of victories.

ps. Dayo i told you Rachel was shite, but in saying that that young lad is even worse.

QUOTE (kwame @ November 03, 2009 01:35 pm)

ps. Dayo i told you Rachel was shite, but in saying that that young lad is even worse.

haha nice one Kwame. I had a hunch she was gonna go...

and LOL re:

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had the 'forgetting myself' experience @ wembley circa charity sheild 95/96 season. sat in the rovers end with two mates. one a rovers fan another a spurs fan. vinny samways scores possibly the jammiest wembley winner ever and i get up celebrating. looked round and soon sat back down

nice one

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QUOTE (kwame @ November 03, 2009 01:35 pm)

had the 'forgetting myself' experience @ wembley circa charity sheild 95/96 season. sat in the rovers end with two mates. one a rovers fan another a spurs fan. vinny samways scores possibly the jammiest wembley winner ever and i get up celebrating. looked round and soon sat back down.

If I remember correctly, the Toffees had a mega-shit grey and white strip that they wore in that game

QUOTE (RareColour @ November 03, 2009 01:30 pm)

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perhaps you could elaborate more about this bit which seems to me a bit pretentious and bull shitty

ok maybe I got a bit carried away.

> It seems to me that New Labour have done nothing to shed us from our feudal culture.

I had this article in mind.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8160052.stm

> Our leaders treat us with the contempt that they consider that we deserve for being foolish enough to vote them in.

OTT I admit
but the point is that they consistently treat the british people like fools - half baked evidence and spin are daily bread (Brown asked Nutt to provide evidence to support his policy). I don't like it.

>there are clear and obvious reasons blah blah blah
tribalism undermines democracy - this was actually Enoch Powell's argument many years ago for why India etc couldn't support democracy. Ironically, it may be the UK that should take more notice of this advice at this minute.

I think that the reason Straw made such a mess of dealing with Griffin - who let's face it is a crank - is because his own party see their job as to lead rather than represent. They have spread confusion in the media about a number of issues in order to provide dubious support for dubious policy.

I am not saying that new labour are fascist, I am saying that they have fascist like properties, which weakens their ability to deal properly with fascist parties.

This may be pretentious and bull shit but I don't really care all that much. Labour made and are still making a lot of basic errors which are allowing the BNP a window into UK politics. If the Nazi's had their way all those years ago I wouldn't be alive now so perhaps the prentention comes from attempting to squeeze my rage into something coherent.

I'd be interested to hear your views if you think I'm wrong.

i only thought it was pretentious to use the word 'feudal' but i understand what you mean

in the main i think they are better than the torys, spend more money on poor people and whatever they have actually acheived is overshadowed by people talking shit about how straw failed to deal with nick griffin on a tv programme, itself bull shit.

we'll all believe it and end up with a cunts' government led by a cunt. for the cunts.

QUOTE (dooby @ November 02, 2009 08:30 pm)

QUOTE (The Good Dr. Jazzchops @ November 02, 2009 03:55 pm)

QUOTE (dooby @ November 02, 2009 03:41 pm)

Come on Dayo, give him a break. We've just beaten Man U, and we've got a massive injury crisis. Admittedly the squad could be stronger and that's his fault, but it doesn't mean he isn't the man to put things right. His team at full-strength can beat any team in the world.

Reckon at this stage after 5 seasons, to think that Benitez is still the man to put things right is overly, and in my opinion, blindly optimistic. The squad on the whole is pretty much as average as Ged Houllier's was, even after signing nearly 70 players in 5 years.

We had our best chance to win the League last year which was hamstrung by Benitez's stubborn refusal to play his best 11 against the so-called weaker times and adopt frankly bizarre formations at home against the likes of Wigan and Stoke, ultimately leading to drawn games and dropped points.

Change is required, methinks.

There seems to be some belief that Liverpool should be winning the league.

Why? What gives Liverpool the right to the league? Yeah it's been ages since they did, but it will take as long as it takes. This is not Championship Manager, you can't just snap your fingers and win the league - it is a very fucking hard thing to do, and last season, in a very competitve league Liverpool nearly did it (with 86 points), and finished ahead of a team managed by a genius (Arsenal) and a team with a squad rammed full of £20m+ players (Chelsea). And yes, if it wasn't for a few errors by Benitez, then Liverpool might have won it. But focusing on Benitez's errors last season ignores everything he got right - which wasn't far from everything.

How do Liverpool, without the financial clout of United and Chelsea, win the league? They have to have very strong foundations, like United have, and it takes time.

After Fergie's fourth season in charge of United, they finished 13th. In his fifth season, they finished 6th. In his sixth season? 2nd.

Only in his seventh season did Fergie win the title (with only 84 points from 42 games!)

Would he have survived today to see that seventh season with that record, in a world of rampant sensationalist tabloid 'comment' and inane radio phone-ins.

No.

So will making a change bring Liverpool a league title any quicker? No, it will take much longer, and would involve bringing in the right man, which there is no guarantee of.

In my opinion, the best chance Liverpool have of winning a league title is to see Rafa's long-term project through.

Yes he has made mistakes, and his team is currently paying for the Alonso/Barry debacle, but he has proven time after time that he has top-class tactical acumen and motivational skills, his teams can compete against anyone in the world, and he can learn from his mistakes (he rotates no more than anyone else now). As it stands, he is the best man for the job.

On Wednesday Liverpool will go to Lyon and with an injury-stricken team I believe will get a draw that will keep their hopes of CL qualification alive. If United get anything from their game with Chelsea on Sunday, then Liverpool will know that winning at home to Birmingham on Monday will bring them 7 points behind the leaders - a defecit that is not unassailable at this stage of the season.

No Liverpool fan is happy with the current situation, but the season is not won or lost in November and all this reactionary bullshit is tiresome - just wait till the end of the season and then judge.

Ferguson won the title in his 6th Full season , he took over mid-way through a season when United where in the bottom 5 I believe

Since then he has won 11 league titles and 2 BIG Cups

Do you seriously think that Benitez is capeable of getting anywhere near this ?

and this is just laughable

" he has proven time after time that he has top-class tactical acumen and motivational skills, his teams can compete against anyone in the world"

he has won 2 trophies in 5 seasons both cups , both on penalties

"he has won 2 trophies in 5 seasons both cups , both on penalties"

That doesn't negate my point, in my opinion.

QUOTE (Picko-d- @ November 03, 2009 01:53 pm)

he has won 2 trophies in 5 seasons both cups , both on penalties

just to let you know dave

a team needs to defeat other teams within a 'competition' context in order to reach a final

the process of defeating another team requires said tactical acumen

you'lll probably never experience it again in your lifetime, but beating Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Inter Milan and Juventus (to name a few) on the way to 2 european cup finals in 5 years actually requires some tactical acumen

cheers

knock it on the head you two

you just sound embarrassing now

Cheers.

QUOTE (nikey @ November 03, 2009 01:52 pm)

we'll all believe it and end up with a cunts' government led by a cunt. for the cunts.

Our gift of democracy to Afghanistan.