what was the question? LOLs.

surely just like the medium the terminology is irrelevant - it either moves you or not > content is king

It was Duke Ellington that said: "There's only two kinds of music. There's the good kind, and there's the other kind"

Agreed, I don't need to hear it for a while either Isabelle, but I'm of the opinion that it's [takes deep breath] better than the original Steve!

BLASPHEMY!!!

Anyone seen the new moodymann edits that have dropped in VJs?

http://www.vinyl-junkies.com/pieceDetail.php?idPk=14227

blurbage

"He pressed up this 12inch this year and it was a giveaway to the only Detroit dj's that still play vinyl. Not for the collectors, only for the Vinyl lovers!!! We have the small amount of copies, so don't miss it!!! Enjoy!"

Edits of Terry Callier, Dwele, Flying Lotus, Q Tip, Jay Dee

what is the last track on the clips? Would love to know what the original is as it sounds exactly like the noodle classic that is LTJ Bukems "Inner Guidance" (which I'm guessing he himself must have sampled from something!?)

Anyway - not a cheap 12"

Voila

my issue with them (not all of them, obviously) is that on the main that are produced with the idea of making a track work better on the dance floor, but all that succeeds in doing is making the 'dance floor' a more one-dimensional place where a 'tricky' tune is no longer acceptable.

the thinking behind seems to be that the 'dance floor' is too stupid to understand the subtleties of these records - "i better make them easier for these plebs to understand" - but they will only make this supposed problem worse.

the more the 'dance floor' gets of these anodyne, 'clean-up' versions the less likely they are to appreciate or want anything else. original creativity ultimately will be the loser and more and more music that is made (and backed by companies wanting to make money) will be 'safe' and accessible and we do not want that.

Well said Sidney.

I've been hammering this lately - and it's in 7/4 - and people danced to it at South London Pacific last Saturday - imagine that

all very high horsey. no-ones advocating putting a house beat under a quantised and 120 bpm'd edit of 'shhh/ peaceful'. oh, hang on.

don't think you could really say Harvey, Larry Levan, Ron Hardy, Rahaan etc etc think their dancefloors are stupid...

yeah sometimes u just need to elongate what is a wonderful, but criminally short, burst of music...all good...maximise the goodness.....of course u can go overboard!

interesting

it's funny that some of the greatest dancefloor tunes of all time have some "tricky" parts in them. i mean look at Loose Ends - Is It All Over My Face. that little extra bar of drums in there after every refrain. which is removed in the remixes. but actually it's that bar of drums which makes the track.

i don't think it's about dumbing down, just turning dj-unfriendly tracks into dj friendly tracks, that's all. which usually means bigger intro, longer mid section and just, better pace for the floor.

maybe some of you need to spend a night out with mandy, diana, mary and anna to get it [/jokeofcourse]

I prefer Kate

i don't like kate, she makes me feel queasy. give me lucy over kate anyday.

yes, but what does dj friendly mean?
easier to mix?
same beat as another already existing tune?
nice long outro onto which you drop your next edit with it's bigger intro?
removing all the interesting/tricky bits, so the numpties staring at the dj box all night long don't have to think to hard?

well u know what it's like with album tracks, specially 33 rpm LPs of the old school variety, can be tricky to needle drop onto, blah blah blah, very rarely you get something longer than 4 mins to dj with, or your og copy ends up with tons of cue burn. so you take that, make a nice loud 12", plenty of time to cue up the next thing, or mix out of it.. that's dj friendly.

eg the dells, no way back, of no use in a dj set whatsover UNTIL you edit it

anyway, enough.